maddmaxie · Mar 22, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47

Im a fire ele and i wanna know how to get more than 13 fire magic????

Zamochit · Mar 22, 2009, 11:02 AM // 11:02

You will need runes from the rune trader to get more than 13 specced into any single attribute.

Minor runes give +1 to an attribute
Major runes give +2 to an attribute but take away 35hp
Superior runes give +3 to an attribute but take away 75hp

It is widely accepted that in most cases minor runes are your best option as the health loss from major and especially superior runes makes a significant difference to your ability to survive.

You can also gain temporary boosts to attributes with consumable items like golden eggs and candy corn, but your best option at the moment is definately runes.

Iuris · Mar 22, 2009, 11:03 AM // 11:03

Armor, specifically the headpiece and runes. Remember, only one rune per attribute, so 16 maximum.

tmakinen · Mar 22, 2009, 11:09 AM // 11:09

In addition to headpiece, runes and consumables, additional methods of raising attributes are some skills like [Glyph of Elemental Power] (temporary +2 to elemental attributes), Mastery modifiers to equipment (20% chance of +1 to attribute) and certain blessings (location dependent). The highest permanent attribute level is 16 and any builds that go beyond that are rather gimmicky.

dilan155 · Mar 22, 2009, 12:39 PM // 12:39

keep in mind that anything beyond minor runes are considered useless because a loss of 75 health reduce your chance of surviving a lot and +2 to any attribute rarely make a difference.

iVendetta · Mar 22, 2009, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Without the use of skills, you can achieve a total of 16 points in any attribute of your profession. If you wish to get above 13, you would need a headgear of the attribute type (for example of Scythe Mastery). From there, you would need to apply runes to increase it. Remember that runes are non-stacking (except for some exceptions such as Vitae). Runes come in three types: Minor (+1 to attribute), Major (+2 to attribute), and Superior (+3 to attribute). However, Major and Superior runes come with a penalty of -35HP and -75HP, respectively.

Elder III · Mar 22, 2009, 03:54 PM // 15:54

I usually go with 14 in that attribute (armor/headgear with a +1 of attribute and a minor rune on it).... I only go higher than that if I'm absolutely sure that the 15 or 16 makes a significant difference with a particular build or skill set. Sometimes it's worth it, but for the majority of people and the majority of time it is not worth it to go above 14. You can use wiki, to see how the damage is increased etc. for every level of a skill... usually the difference between 14 and 16 is negligible.

TheodenKing · Mar 22, 2009, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by dilan155

keep in mind that anything beyond minor runes are considered useless because a loss of 75 health reduce your chance of surviving a lot and +2 to any attribute rarely make a difference.

"Useless" is an exaggeration. I think he means "foolish" or something along those lines.

Conventional thinking isn't always correct. You can use a major or superior fire rune in a headpiece, and add health to your bar in other ways.

DarkFlame · Mar 23, 2009, 12:04 AM // 00:04

It's PvE Normal Mode, using the -75 hp superior runes is perfectly legit. Stop bringing your hardcore PvP or Hard Mode play styles into this.

But only use one, the -150 hp off of two sup runes can be pretty brutal.

Tommy's · Mar 23, 2009, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Just to sum things up for you:
Headpeace +1
Runes (+1/+2/+3)
Weapon (+1 Staff/Focus/Shield)
Sweets (+1 Candy Corn/Golden Egg)
Cons (Grail of Might)

Im not totaly sure if all these things together stack, but if so, you could get 12 + 8 bonus, makes a total of 20. Would be nice ^^

Konker2020 · Mar 23, 2009, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crucist Ovv

Just to sum things up for you:
Headpeace +1
Runes (+1/+2/+3)
Weapon (+1 Staff/Focus/Shield)
Sweets (+1 Candy Corn/Golden Egg)
Cons (Grail of Might)

Im not totaly sure if all these things together stack, but if so, you could get 12 + 8 bonus, makes a total of 20. Would be nice ^^

The maximum attribute you can get for most attributes is 21, after following this you can also add rez shrine blessings. With certain attributes you can get as high as 24, such as with elemental attributes because skills like of Glyph of Elemental Power.

Yuna Matsumarui · Mar 23, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

attributes are capped at 20.

just go with some double dragon skill, echo it -> + 2 fire magic.

cognophile · Mar 23, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43

A superior rune can sometimes be useful. However, the hit point loss is costly, especially if you have high death penalty.

subarucar · Mar 23, 2009, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by cognophile

A superior rune can sometimes be useful. However, the hit point loss is costly, especially if you have high death penalty.

A agree with this, even in PvP. In pressure builds, the extra axe mastery can really boost your damage, while you dont lose out on much in return, I can still get my war to 570hp with a sup axe rune, thats not bad considering casters dont have much more in their 40/40 sets, and a wars got 80al.

Konker2020 · Mar 24, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37

sry, dint realize att cap was 20, 21 with weapon upgrade ONLY.

Mar 22, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47	#1
maddmaxie Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2009 Guild: Tha Viperz Profession: E/Mo	How to get more than 13 on attribute things? Im a fire ele and i wanna know how to get more than 13 fire magic????

Mar 22, 2009, 11:02 AM // 11:02	#2
Zamochit Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: N/A	You will need runes from the rune trader to get more than 13 specced into any single attribute. Minor runes give +1 to an attribute Major runes give +2 to an attribute but take away 35hp Superior runes give +3 to an attribute but take away 75hp It is widely accepted that in most cases minor runes are your best option as the health loss from major and especially superior runes makes a significant difference to your ability to survive. You can also gain temporary boosts to attributes with consumable items like golden eggs and candy corn, but your best option at the moment is definately runes.

Mar 22, 2009, 11:03 AM // 11:03	#3
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	Armor, specifically the headpiece and runes. Remember, only one rune per attribute, so 16 maximum.

Mar 22, 2009, 11:09 AM // 11:09	#4
tmakinen Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: www.mybearfriend.net Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: E/	In addition to headpiece, runes and consumables, additional methods of raising attributes are some skills like [Glyph of Elemental Power] (temporary +2 to elemental attributes), Mastery modifiers to equipment (20% chance of +1 to attribute) and certain blessings (location dependent). The highest permanent attribute level is 16 and any builds that go beyond that are rather gimmicky.

Mar 22, 2009, 12:39 PM // 12:39	#5
dilan155 Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Location: living room Profession: N/	keep in mind that anything beyond minor runes are considered useless because a loss of 75 health reduce your chance of surviving a lot and +2 to any attribute rarely make a difference.

Mar 22, 2009, 03:39 PM // 15:39	#6
iVendetta Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Where no man has ever gone before. Guild: Syndicate Nightmare [SyN]	Without the use of skills, you can achieve a total of 16 points in any attribute of your profession. If you wish to get above 13, you would need a headgear of the attribute type (for example of Scythe Mastery). From there, you would need to apply runes to increase it. Remember that runes are non-stacking (except for some exceptions such as Vitae). Runes come in three types: Minor (+1 to attribute), Major (+2 to attribute), and Superior (+3 to attribute). However, Major and Superior runes come with a penalty of -35HP and -75HP, respectively.

Mar 22, 2009, 03:54 PM // 15:54	#7
Elder III Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Guild: I Will Never Join Your Guild (NTY) Profession: R/	I usually go with 14 in that attribute (armor/headgear with a +1 of attribute and a minor rune on it).... I only go higher than that if I'm absolutely sure that the 15 or 16 makes a significant difference with a particular build or skill set. Sometimes it's worth it, but for the majority of people and the majority of time it is not worth it to go above 14. You can use wiki, to see how the damage is increased etc. for every level of a skill... usually the difference between 14 and 16 is negligible.

Mar 23, 2009, 12:04 AM // 00:04	#9
DarkFlame Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ascalon Profession: E/	It's *PvE Normal Mode*, using the -75 hp superior runes is perfectly legit. Stop bringing your hardcore PvP or Hard Mode play styles into this. But only use one, the -150 hp off of two sup runes can be pretty brutal.

Mar 23, 2009, 02:07 PM // 14:07	#10
Tommy's Furnace Stoker Join Date: Dec 2006 Guild: [Bone] Profession: Mo/	Just to sum things up for you: Headpeace +1 Runes (+1/+2/+3) Weapon (+1 Staff/Focus/Shield) Sweets (+1 Candy Corn/Golden Egg) Cons (Grail of Might) Im not totaly sure if all these things together stack, but if so, you could get 12 + 8 bonus, makes a total of 20. Would be nice ^^

Mar 23, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24	#12
Yuna Matsumarui Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2009 Profession: Me/	attributes are capped at 20. just go with some double dragon skill, echo it -> + 2 fire magic.

Mar 23, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43	#13
cognophile Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: USA	A superior rune can sometimes be useful. However, the hit point loss is costly, especially if you have high death penalty.

Mar 24, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37	#15
Konker2020 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: Exiled Forcez [Ex]	sry, dint realize att cap was 20, 21 with weapon upgrade ONLY.